I’m profoundly grateful to the editors of the journal Public, and particularly special issue editors Sean O’Brien, Imre Szeman, and Eva-Lynn Jagoe, for making space for an interview with me in the newly released issue 55: Demos. The interview was very graciously conducted by poet and critic Ryan Fitzpatrick. I was very pleased to have the opportunity to discuss some of my current thinking there, especially thinking through the necessity of dwelling in messiness and complexity. You can order the journal here. The interview, “Living in Messy Times,” is the final piece in the issue.